Curse

deluxe · Jun 13, 2011, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Most of our games are won before 5 minutes, or people resign... this rule is lame...

Kanyatta · Jun 13, 2011, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

people getting money not honorably takes priority over the game being alive.

This.

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lursey · Jun 13, 2011, 10:42 PM // 22:42

if you play gvg just simply for the reward, then don't play it.... gvg is supposed to be pvp not pve.

deluxe · Jun 13, 2011, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by lursey

if you play gvg just simply for the reward, then don't play it.... gvg is supposed to be pvp not pve.

Nobody is playing GvG just for the reward, point me to someone who is.
It's nice to get rewards though.
And it's a shame legit players don't get the rewards, but the pve players tanking and resigning to eachother do.
Currently there is a lot of griefing going on, people resigning just before the 5 minute mark etc.
Hell, even we do it now that it's been done 5 times to us on one day.

animal fighter · Jun 14, 2011, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by lursey

if you play gvg just simply for the reward, then don't play it.... gvg is supposed to be pvp not pve.

why not? I wouldn't be playing if there weren't boxes. I mean it's fun to play, but there's no real reason to play gvg without the boxes. It gets boring too fast without a decent reward.

lursey · Jun 14, 2011, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by animal fighter

why not? I wouldn't be playing if there weren't boxes. I mean it's fun to play, but there's no real reason to play gvg without the boxes. It gets boring too fast without a decent reward.

because you should be asking for balance instead of reward...

Silverhand · Jun 14, 2011, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by lursey

because you should be asking for balance instead of reward...

This has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. We are discussing the changes to strongbox rewards and how those negatively affect the actual teams playing, while doing nothing to stop people from abusing the system. Why you try to support the change with silly answers like this is beyond me.

lursey · Jun 14, 2011, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Silverhand

This has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. We are discussing the changes to strongbox rewards and how those negatively affect the actual teams playing, while doing nothing to stop people from abusing the system. Why you try to support the change with silly answers like this is beyond me.

because if gvg is really fun, then player won't really farm the reward, but actually play the game....

Reverend Dr · Jun 14, 2011, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Anyone that has been "farming" strong boxes is a piece of shit that in no way is, has been, or ever will, help the game not be dead.

You can address these issues with complete impunity as there is no overlap what-so-ever.

Silverhand · Jun 14, 2011, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by lursey

because if gvg is really fun, then player won't really farm the reward, but actually play the game....

I and many others find GvG fun, so this point is subjective. This still doesn't address the strongbox issue. Do I need them? No, but they are nice. Do I think its fair that synchers get them, but people that manage to win by outplaying their opponent in 5 minutes dont? Well no and thats the issue here.

Apok · Jun 14, 2011, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by lursey

because if gvg is really fun, then player won't really farm the reward, but actually play the game....

This post is the example of why the strongboxes were a bad idea from the beginning.

If something is tedious, boring, and a waste of time with no benefit, no one will be a part of it.

If something is tedious and boring but gives you prizes (not incentive) for doing it anyway, then people will get into it.

Basically, before the update, GvG was a chore with the only reward coming from beating a guild in a tournament. Which was controlled (to an extent) and had top players joining in.

After the update, all you had to do is beat someone random in ladder in the amount of time it took to get to the Lord Pit and boom, instant PvE goodies.

GvG, to most of the playerbase NOW, is a job. And not in the competitive sense.

UnicornStampede · Jun 14, 2011, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

What didn't happen from this update: Stoping the syncers from farming. (waiting an extra 3 min each match does nothing)

What happened from this update: Real guilds don't get a strongbox if they win under 5 min. Most guilds just resign before 5 min which griefs the other team from getting a strongbox

Nice job Anet, well done.

self bumping

Ghost Dog · Jun 15, 2011, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Where did anet state this was permanent?

Stéphane Lo Presti · Jun 15, 2011, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Hi everyone,

We'd like to update you about the recent PvP activity following the June 10th PvP update. In analyzing recent GvG matches, we noted a number of players were engaging in match manipulation. As a result of this, the players’ accounts were terminated.

We want to remind everyone that match manipulation is a breach of the Guild Wars User Agreement and the Rules of Conduct, and those involved risk immediate account termination. We will continue to monitor the situation and take any appropriate actions that are necessary in the future.

Essence Snow · Jun 15, 2011, 12:33 AM // 00:33

I know this only slowed down the farming (which is still an issue)..... but to the ppl complaining about "oh this is bs we cant stomp other teams and get boxes"....really? Why should there be a reward for stomping a obviously lesser team? This hurt smurfing...so thats good! The boxes were meant as an incentive for new pvp players....not for seasoned players to gain for stomping the new players. When ya'll face teams that actually are near the same level......i.e.. last more than 5mins do to competition...you'll still get the boxes.
If the match wasn't going to last 5min or more then there really shouldnt have been the match in the 1st place nor should there be rewards for such.

Silverhand · Jun 15, 2011, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

I know this only slowed down the farming (which is still an issue)..... but to the ppl complaining about "oh this is bs we cant stomp other teams and get boxes"....really? Why should there be a reward for stomping a obviously lesser team? This hurt smurfing...so thats good! The boxes were meant as an incentive for new pvp players....not for seasoned players to gain for stomping the new players. When ya'll face teams that actually are near the same level......i.e.. last more than 5mins do to competition...you'll still get the boxes.
If the match wasn't going to last 5min or more then there really shouldnt have been the match in the 1st place nor should there be rewards for such.

You clearly havent played many gvg matches lately. There are many times when a game can be won in under 5 minutes if you outplay the other team at the right time. Basing a monk right at 2 minutes with a pressure build can be gg even if the team is good. Match length =/= skill of the guilds involved.

Essence Snow · Jun 15, 2011, 02:45 AM // 02:45

If they are of the same skill level why wouldn't they be defending against this?

UnicornStampede · Jun 15, 2011, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

Hi everyone,

We'd like to update you about the recent PvP activity following the June 10th PvP update. In analyzing recent GvG matches, we noted a number of players were engaging in match manipulation. As a result of this, the players’ accounts were terminated.

We want to remind everyone that match manipulation is a breach of the Guild Wars User Agreement and the Rules of Conduct, and those involved risk immediate account termination. We will continue to monitor the situation and take any appropriate actions that are necessary in the future.

hi

ok neat, but the update didn't really do anything that nerfs box farm (besides banning them), because all they have to do is wait 3 more minutes each match. However this causes extremely annoying problems for actual gvg guilds, since if they win before 5 mins, or the other team grief resigns before 5 mins, they don't get a box.

Silverhand · Jun 15, 2011, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

If they are of the same skill level why wouldn't they be defending against this?

Because no one knows exactly what the other team plays and frankly you can't exactly defend against getting outplayed. Honestly go watch some matches and you will see people in top 100 that get a monk based and then lose under 5.

*lemming* · Jun 15, 2011, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

If they are of the same skill level why wouldn't they be defending against this?

Dervishes.

I'm not even being facetious.

Watch basically any 8v8 match between top European guilds (LaG, wtf, DirT, rR, Est, Jh come to mind). If it has dervishes, odds are that it won't go past four minutes.